[quote author=“AndruGearLive”]Moore is all hype. I am voting for Nader simply because he is the lesser of three evils as far as I am concerned. I also picked him in the last election over Gore and Bush.
I hate to say it, but I am glad Bush won as opposed to Gore. I just cant see Gore handling September 11th.
As far as a straight Kerry/Bush poll with only those two choices, I would probably have to choose Bush. I just dont see Kerry as a strong president…although I like Edwards a lot.
Was 11 September inevitable? Or could it have been prevented? Gore might have been able to prevent it if it was preventable. :?
EDIT (19:04 CST): Sorry, I will outright admit that I don’t know all the specifics of the 11 September incident, but I have heard theories that the incident could have been prevented. If this is the case, then I have to say that Gore would have been the better president ‘cause, well, then, we wouldn’t have needed to go to war. =) I do have to admit that Republicans are better at wargames and such. 😛 In any event, if it wasn’t necessary to go to war in the first place, then I would have voted Gore
[quote author=“AndruGearLive”]Moore is all hype. I am voting for Nader simply because he is the lesser of three evils as far as I am concerned. I also picked him in the last election over Gore and Bush.
I hate to say it, but I am glad Bush won as opposed to Gore. I just cant see Gore handling September 11th.
As far as a straight Kerry/Bush poll with only those two choices, I would probably have to choose Bush. I just dont see Kerry as a strong president…although I like Edwards a lot.
You obviously weren’t affected in any way during bush’s presidency—I personally lost 3 jobs, had to move so I could get another job, and had to take a $15,000/year pay cut just to keep working in the same field—not to mention where I’m living the cost of living is the same. That alone has made me not want to vote for him*
It’s an election so I’m not busting your @ss about your choice—agreed, that kerry/bush both are lame—but I think that kerry would be the lesser of 2 evils. In order for nader to get elected, he’ll need to spend more than $60 on an internet add to announce his campaign. Meanwhile bush/kerry are racking up millions in election costs.
*job loss not created by slump caused by 9/11 rather the fact that Bush and his crew actually promote outsourcing, and provide additional tax shelters for companies that do—I don’t work in a entry level call center type position even…I’m a network engineer, and the work I can’t do can’t be done from 10,000 miles away.
[quote author=“Andreux”][quote author=“AndruGearLive”]Moore is all hype. I am voting for Nader simply because he is the lesser of three evils as far as I am concerned. I also picked him in the last election over Gore and Bush.
I hate to say it, but I am glad Bush won as opposed to Gore. I just cant see Gore handling September 11th.
As far as a straight Kerry/Bush poll with only those two choices, I would probably have to choose Bush. I just don’t see Kerry as a strong president…although I like Edwards a lot.
Was 11 September inevitable? Or could it have been prevented? Gore might have been able to prevent it if it was preventable. :?
EDIT (19:04 CST): Sorry, I will outright admit that I don’t know all the specifics of the 11 September incident, but I have heard theories that the incident could have been prevented. If this is the case, then I have to say that Gore would have been the better president ‘cause, well, then, we wouldn’t have needed to go to war. =) I do have to admit that Republicans are better at wargames and such. 😛 In any event, if it wasn’t necessary to go to war in the first place, then I would have voted Gore
We were attacked many many times during the Clinton/Gore years, and all they did was send a few rockets over at empty tents…So, no, I don’t think Gore could or would have done anything except continue cutting back on our intelligence agencies…
munky, I really feel bad for you man. I really do. That really sucks :( I know several families who are losing jobs, but that doesn’t make it the Bush Administrations fault…The tax shelter thing I think you were talking about is discussed somewhat in those Slate.com articles, but that’s neither here nor there. If you’d like to blame Bush, fine, you have every reason (albeit, not too reasonable IMO) to think so.
Let me just pose this question to you:
What good is affluence, if you, your family, and your friends aren’t safe? We had years of relatively peaceful (with exception of the WTC bombing in the early 90s) times, and what should have been realized on September 11th, is that we can have everything, only to lose it all in a day. These are the times we’re living in, and if people don’t start to accept that, we’re going to see more lives lost on our own soil. All Kerry has said he wants to do about it is turn it back to what it used to be…a Law Enforcement issue…Prosecution issue. Going on that system, Kerry would be trying to try a group of dead men for the murder of our two-thousand citizens. Do you think the accused would have been able to make the court appearance?
You’re forgetting that the Clinton/Gore administration stopped a bombing at LAX during the millenium celebration. Also, Clinton’s top security advisors had told the incoming Bush administration to watch out for Al Queda but since they hate Clinton so much they just seemed to ignore it. I’m not blaming 9/11 on any one group. I’m sure if the CIA and FBI were anywhere near what they should be and both administrations had stepped up research on Al Queda it probably wouldn’t have happened. Luckily, now we’re learning from our mistakes and the 9/11 commissions reports are doing some good.
[quote author=“sweet jesus”]You’re forgetting that the Clinton/Gore administration stopped a bombing at LAX during the millenium celebration.
Oh, you mean the secuirty guard (who has nothing to do with Clinton or Gore) who, on a hunch, checked something out, and it turned out to be a bomb? Yeah. Then Clinton and Gore took all the credit for “stopping” that terrorist attack.
Clinton and Gore sure had plenty to do with stopping that one… But I guess they were just hot off the tracks of looking for whoever attacked the USS Cole. Yeah, that must be it.
Fine, so Clinton/Gore didn’t go to LAX and stop the guy by themselves, jeeze. I still want to know why we haven’t captured Osama. For months it’s been said that he’s on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. They even got a tape from his top official.
Wouldn’t you think that those family’s of victim’s from 9/11 want a little closure? Maybe Bush should finish what he started instead of starting new wars.
People lose jobs all the time due to layoffs, no fault of their own. Personally, I dont see how Clinton’s policies OR Bush’s policies had anything to do with my layoffs. Companies dont just have to lay people off one day…it is a buildup, usually due to years of losses. In other words, if someone got laid off in 2002, it could very well be the result of bad business choices made in 2000 or even earlier.
What I do know is that because of Bush, I received a couple of $400 checks due to tax cuts that I was able to pay bills and rent with.
Again, I am not voting Democrat or Republican this year. I am voting Nader.
[quote author=“sweet jesus”]Fine, so Clinton/Gore didn’t go to LAX and stop the guy by themselves, jeeze. I still want to know why we haven’t captured Osama. For months it’s been said that he’s on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. They even got a tape from his top official.
Wouldn’t you think that those family’s of victim’s from 9/11 want a little closure? Maybe Bush should finish what he started instead of starting new wars.
Why don’t you think there are groups searching for him as we speak? Both Pakistani forces, and US Spec. Ops forces? I think there is a great possibility that there are, and this accounts for why we haven’t seen too many news reels from him recently. I agree though, it would be very nice to have found him by now…and I hope they do.
Oh, and your post before your last one, STRAIGHT from Michael Moore and Dick Clark… 0_o
I didn’t get to vote in the last election, and it’s my first time voting this year, however…
Ummm…
See, there’s a problem…
I’m not registered to vote.
Can someone help me find an online registration website/form? I tried looking, and some of the places looked fake to me, believe it or not. :( I would really appreciate it, and I’m sure you would appreciate one more voter for this nice nation of ours. :D Thanks, and I hope you’re all having a wonderful day!
if you live in texas, like your profile says, this should work. good luck and congratulations. i’m just glad someone in this country wants to vote for a change
Bush is a conservative, true. But he is not a republican. A republican, by definition, desires less governmental presence, and is fiscally responsible.
Unfortunately, Bush completely missed both key points. Instead, he opted for a larger government body. The Patriot Act is enough to show anyone who can read what Bush plans to do with governmental powers. That, and we went from a great historical surplus, to a great historical deficit. That sudden plunge shows his fiscal “irresponsible”-ness.
And as a liberal, a lot of the social plans he hopes to enact, ranging from gay rights to abortion is appalling!
Bush’s whole “hey lets add an ammendment banning gay marriage” is something I have a problem with. Its a stupid solution to a stupid problem (which isn’t really even a ‘problem’ to begin with).
With the exception of the prohibition ammendment, ALL 27 have granted rights to the people of America that they weren’t explicitly granted in the constitution. With the exception of the prohibition ammendment, all 27 have withstood repeal. Gee, does anyone see a pattern?
Excplitly denying Americans something does not belong in the constitution.
[quote author=“rejunkie”]Bush is a conservative, true. But he is not a republican. A republican, by definition, desires less governmental presence, and is fiscally responsible.
Unfortunately, Bush completely missed both key points. Instead, he opted for a larger government body. The Patriot Act is enough to show anyone who can read what Bush plans to do with governmental powers. That, and we went from a great historical surplus, to a great historical deficit. That sudden plunge shows his fiscal “irresponsible”-ness.
And as a liberal, a lot of the social plans he hopes to enact, ranging from gay rights to abortion is appalling!
So yeah, I hope Bush is out of office soon!
Meh. Well, I guess this all just comes down to what you believe in.
If you believe that the terrorist attacks were in fact real, and that since then, certain things have changed, then you’ll understand why the Patriot Act exists. Granted, it’s not a perfect peace of legislation…it could use a lil’ work 😉
He didn’t “opt” for anything. WE WERE ATTACKED. This, again, comes down to what you actually believe. If you don’t think we were attacked, then I guess I understand why you disagree. I believe that we were attacked, and because of which, more government is necessary to keep us safe. Bush is for stronger local government, unlike the Left who favor more politicians in DC.
:lol: again, WE WERE ATTACKED. You can’t go through a period of dire uncertainty without something to show for it. Our economy lost tons of money, and it does cost money to wage war. WHICH I BELIEVE is necessary to win the war on terror.
You can’t expect to win any such war if there is a major player, who has also aligned himself with your enemies, in your area of operations, who isn’t being dealt with. The problem will fester, and eventually you’ll have one mighty infection to deal with. The Sooner, the Better.
Oh, oh! I know…Led us into war based on lies and false pretenses…:lol: Keep beating that drum until that thought is borrowed into every American’s subconscious, eh? Bleeding Heart Liberals, when will you ever learn 😛 Oh, and you lost in 2000. Get over it 😛
On the Gay rights issue, coming from a Catholic upbringing, I understand both sides of the argument. I side with the Gay community though. The more I look at it, it seems to me that the Straight people are just trying to preserve some sort of elitist club. And that’s wrong. Gay people can love each other every bit as much as Straight people. All the Straight’s are arguing about now adays, is the title 😛 But hey, Bush may be wrong about this issue, but at least he’s stayed steady on it and not changed it to suite poll findings.
Abortion. Well, that just comes down to beliefs again. What I think it comes down to is, the voice of a pregnant woman vs. the voice of her unborn child. The woman is able to speak, and the unborn child, is not. Naturally, this causes quite the dilemma when the two get together to argue about it. Oh wait, they can’t cause the baby isn’t even alive yet to be able to defend itself. 😛
Now adays, the amount of unwanted births doesn’t need to be nearly as high as it is. I fault many things: Lack of education (fuckin’ public schools and their misguided sense of reality), selfishness, laziness, cowardice, lack of vigilance, immaturity, and irresponsibility. I can name many things to blame, but I can’t let that anchor fall around the neck of the unborn child. She/he didn’t ask to be created, so why is it that you’re punishing him/her for something they didn’t have any hand in? Oh right, the pregnant mother will be being punished and that’s not right either. Well, if you all want to live in a society where no one is responsible for his or her own actions, then you’ve all lost your minds. The same chick who was raped and impregnated by some guy, wouldn’t like it very much if her rapist was let off for his inability to be accountable for his actions.
I’ve always thought that if you’re going to have sex, you should be prepared to have a child. You should be able to take care of a child because that could be the end result. If you can’t take care of a baby and you aren’t prepared for one, then you run certain risks when having sex. I feel, that knowingly running these risks, makes you responsible for the outcome. If you aren’t prepared to handle the risks involved, play it safe and don’t run that risk. Like they say to convicts, “Don’t do the crime unless you can do the time.”
When you don’t take responsibility for your actions, why do you think you deserve the right to kill a life that could have meant something to us all? Who gives you the right to play God? Oh right, because it can’t survive without you, that makes it alright.
Well, when I was sixteen, my girlfriend told me she was pregnant. I was shocked. I had just started the school year, and that definitely wasn’t something I was expecting. Even though I was only 16, I never once thought about telling her to get an abortion. Don’t call me naive, because you don’t know me. I was fully aware of the situation, and the consequences of my actions. I realized that her parents were going to find out, and that they were going to disown her. I realized I was going to have to go and find a job. Perhaps even quit school and goto work full-time to support the two of them. It turned out to be a false alarm (at the time, she was suffering from anorexia, and this kept her from having a *regular* period), but for about a month I carried that around.
I see abortion as the easy-out when faced with something of that magnitude. I hate taking short-cuts in life, because you always end up screwing yourself in the end. I’m not going to ask you to adopt my beliefs, but what I am going to ask is that you don’t impose your beliefs on an unborn child.
I’m all for gay marriage and I’ll explain why rather simply. People fail to realize that there are two kinds of marriages: the first being the traditional religious ceremony and the second being the civil union (which in my opinion is the more important of the two). Now if you consider yourself a religious person and you don’t want a gay couple married in your church that’s fine, it’s your right but you don’t have the right to block gay couples from getting a legal marriage. I believe that the legal marriage carries with it extremely important aspects such as tax breaks, hospital visitation, and being able to write you spouse into your will. How would you feel if you couldn’t visit your spouse/life-partner at their deathbed because you weren’t legally married? Kinda shady. What if you’re raising a child together and tax breaks would help you send you child to a better school? These are key issues to any couple. People who tell you, “if you let the gays marry then I should be able to marry a horse,” are quite possibly the dumbest people on the face of the planet. Reserving marriage for straight couples simply because it’s tradition is a ludicrous and insulting gesture, especially in modern times when we consider ourselves better than stereotypes and discrimination. Just remember, you don’t need religion in a secular marriage i.e. a courthouse. That’s the beauty of separation of church and state.
Also, in terms of gay couples raising children, don’t you think that it’s better for a child to have two parents than one, even if they are of the same gender? In a time when nearly 50% of marriages fail, I would rather have two parents who love me and care for me than one parent killing themselves to provide for me while I only get to see the other rarely or maybe never.
As for abortion, it’s always been my belief that a woman can make decisions regarding her own body and as a man I have no right to say what she can and cannot do. This is really easy for guys to get away with saying but for women this is a considerably different situation. The last decision I would ever want to make would be to keep or not to keep a child. I’ve known women that have had abortions and women who chose to keep the child. I can honestly say that those who had the child probably hurt themselves a lot more in terms of their education and financial future. It sounds like a shady thing to say but having a child as a teenager will most likely ruin your life. Perhaps it’s better to carry the child to term and then give it up for adoption but I know it would be hard, if not impossible, to separate with it.
For many the idea of abortion comes down to whether you believe life begins at conception, 3 weeks, 1 month, etc. It’s impossible to say and your religious background will most likely play a large role. Seeing as I have no religious input, I would guage to have or not to have the child based on the likelyhood of it having a good life. There are hundreds of questions to ask. How will this effect my life? Will others support me? Am I bringing this child into potentially poor future? Again, as a man I cannot answer these questions. I trust women know what they want to do and aren’t afraid of their choice. I consider myself pro-choice but if you’re pro-life I understand…just don’t blow up a planned parenthood (that’s really fucked up).
[quote author=“sweet jesus”]I’m all for gay marriage and I’ll explain why rather simply. People fail to realize that there are two kinds of marriages: the first being the traditional religious ceremony and the second being the civil union (which in my opinion is the more important of the two). Now if you consider yourself a religious person and you don’t want a gay couple married in your church that’s fine, it’s your right but you don’t have the right to block gay couples from getting a legal marriage. I believe that the legal marriage carries with it extremely important aspects such as tax breaks, hospital visitation, and being able to write you spouse into your will. How would you feel if you couldn’t visit your spouse/life-partner at their deathbed because you weren’t legally married? Kinda shady. What if you’re raising a child together and tax breaks would help you send you child to a better school? These are key issues to any couple. People who tell you, “if you let the gays marry then I should be able to marry a horse,” are quite possibly the dumbest people on the face of the planet. Reserving marriage for straight couples simply because it’s tradition is a ludicrous and insulting gesture, especially in modern times when we consider ourselves better than stereotypes and discrimination. Just remember, you don’t need religion in a secular marriage i.e. a courthouse. That’s the beauty of separation of church and state.
Also, in terms of gay couples raising children, don’t you think that it’s better for a child to have two parents than one, even if they are of the same gender? In a time when nearly 50% of marriages fail, I would rather have two parents who love me and care for me than one parent killing themselves to provide for me while I only get to see the other rarely or maybe never.
As for abortion, it’s always been my belief that a woman can make decisions regarding her own body and as a man I have no right to say what she can and cannot do. This is really easy for guys to get away with saying but for women this is a considerably different situation. The last decision I would ever want to make would be to keep or not to keep a child. I’ve known women that have had abortions and women who chose to keep the child. I can honestly say that those who had the child probably hurt themselves a lot more in terms of their education and financial future. It sounds like a shady thing to say but having a child as a teenager will most likely ruin your life. Perhaps it’s better to carry the child to term and then give it up for adoption but I know it would be hard, if not impossible, to separate with it.
For many the idea of abortion comes down to whether you believe life begins at conception, 3 weeks, 1 month, etc. It’s impossible to say and your religious background will most likely play a large role. Seeing as I have no religious input, I would guage to have or not to have the child based on the likelyhood of it having a good life. There are hundreds of questions to ask. How will this effect my life? Will others support me? Am I bringing this child into potentially poor future? Again, as a man I cannot answer these questions. I trust women know what they want to do and aren’t afraid of their choice. I consider myself pro-choice but if you’re pro-life I understand…just don’t blow up a planned parenthood (that’s really **** up).
I agree with you 100% on Gay marriage/rights.
As for abortion, I’ve seen that sort of stuff too. My freshman year, I went to this HS in Beaverton, OR called Merlo Station. Within this school, there were several smaller schools that were independent of one another. One was for troubled kids that needed a little extra help, one was for pregnant teens, and one was for kids who wanted an accelerated atmosphere geared more towards Science and Technology. You’d see all the young mothers pushing babies down the hall ways in these plastic car-like things, and I just felt really bad for them.
That’s why I believe in more education, and very liberal amounts of free condoms or other contraceptives. The teen birth rate in my state is (I think I read this last year) the highest in the nation, and that just sickens me. You goto school and they’ll tell you all about what sex is, and then they tell you ABSTINENCE is the ONLY way to go. Well, after that, no further education is presumably required. NOT! It’s so completely ridiculous that they won’t teach kids proper sexual behavior in regards to contraceptives. I think it’ll eventually come, but not before thousands of abortions/pregnancies pass over. Sad.
And let us not forget, abortions aren’t exactly safe for woman. It’s just something that I feel shouldn’t really be necessary. Yes, I agree it’s no good to raise a child in an environment that doesn’t benefit the child in the long run. I also don’t see any point in ruining a young woman’s life by forcing her to have a baby she might not be able to part with.
When you’re out of HS, you should know better…should take the proper precautions in order to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. If you aren’t responsible enough to make the right choices, I don’t think you have the right to encroach on some unborn kids right to live.
My religion plays no part in this, because for the most part, I don’t practice. I’d really like to study Buddhism more…maybe a blending of Buddhism and Christianity. I want to believe in God, but at the same time, I disagree with many of the principals that are involved in being a Christian.
I’m gay myself, and in logical sense, gay marriage just won’t work. Don’t the requirements state “between a man and a woman” only? Imagine if we modified it to say “between a man and a woman, a man and a man, and a woman and a woman.” If I were another sexuality minority, I’d feel that this was a bit of favoritism. What about the polygamists? Why can’t they marry the way they wish? And what about inter-species marriages too? Why can’t John marry Fido?
If gay marriage does pass (and I highly doubt it will—at least, not anytime soon), then they are going to need to loophole that mutha like no other in order to keep everyone happy.
This is probably the worst selection of candidates in recent history. Why can’t Clinton run again? Despite what people think about him in general, you know he’d win in a freaking landslide. Stupid FDR had to go and ruin it with his four terms. Actually, we need FDR, he knew how to get us jobs. I’d be out building a bridge within a week.
[quote author=“minijigga”]Yeah, too bad since then all his plans went to **** :(
People used to be too proud to take hand-outs, now they line up for them.
Michael Andrews was right with his title, “Mad World” indeed 😛
Actually, “mad world” is a tears for fears song. I wouldn’t correct you except I’m pretentious about music. Michael Andrews did do a good cover for the Donnie Darko soundtrack though. Actually the whole soundtrack was great.
“Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion”
I’m not registered to vote.
