i voted for Bush ..

i just think Kerry didn’t have any sort of position .. or rather .. that he took every side of every position ..

By 4 million votes, and the electoral college… Bush is now president.

So who’s actually going to stay true to their word and move away?

I’d be willing to bet that most of you aren’t actually going to move. One, you’re so poor because of Bush (that tastes like…sarcasm!) that you don’t have enough money, and two, you’re going to wait it out to see if it will be as bad as you said it would be.

I’ve always believed that the only way America will fall into ruins, will be from an internal collapse. We’ll eventually tear ourselves apart. For the time being we’re getting along, especially since the craziness of the elections has subsided; however, I see the following year filled with more of the same partisan ########. I don’t know if there’s any possible solution, or any way we’ll be able to coexist. So, I think the Liberals of America should move to away.

Why do I say that Liberals should have to move instead of the Conservatives? Why did we revolt against England? What do the Liberals want? Socialism. Higher taxes. “No taxation without representation,” was the tea time war cry that our brave ancestors screamed at the British oppressors. The Liberals want higher taxes so that “everyone” can enjoy the benefits of a working person, and they want more Federal government to manage it all. We didn’t like being governed from across the ocean, what makes you think the thousands of miles that separate most people from Capitol Hill is any better? I’d be willing to bet that most people have never even visited Washington D.C., and yet the Liberals want to increase the number of politicians there so that their socialist agenda can be carried out.

You see, many countries in Europe are following this Socialist idea, maybe you’re homesick? Buy the plane ticket, pay the mover, because I don’t think you fit too well in a capitalist society. You’ll be much happier, and those of us who enjoy working hard for ourselves will be MUCH happier without your incessant whine going against the stream.

Don’t think I’m heartless, I do believe that people do need help sometimes; however, if you look at our society before FDR and the introduction of Social Security, you’ll see a people of proud, independent workers who had to nearly be forced into accepting any sort of help. We were less dependent upon the government, because the government wasn’t offering us any handouts. If you wanted to feed your kids, you got up at 5 am. to catch the train to wherever you worked, if you were fortunate enough to have public transportation to wherever it was you worked. You didn’t have MORE kids to collect MORE money. Churches provided much of the support needed when families fell on hard times, now lines serve the masses who’ve chosen to sit in the laps of others during their “hard times”.

Again, I believe that there is a need for government assistance, but I don’t think that giving someone a check after they’ve stood in line for an hour is the way to go about it. We need more personal intervention; perhaps the good will of the government should be lent vicariously through counselors that will become apart of the downtrodden’s life, as opposed to just another blank face amongst the bleaker things they’ve become accustomed to.

Education is the only way we’ll truly win the war on Hunger and Poverty, and that is why Education should be tied with National Security for First Priority. Some might argue that it should be the lone important issue heading our list, but having the smartest, most successful citizens will do us no good if they aren’t safe enough to enjoy the full lengths of their lives.

I’ve wondered way off topic, but I think I’ve said my peace for the evening (morning?).

If you’re mad about Bush, I’d encourage you to reconsider your US citizenship. I’d shake your hand and wish you luck. You’ll need it, for you have 20 or 30 years ahead of you that are filled with routine, mundane work without room for ambition or outer reward :sick:

:( The Brits are making fun of us. That’s the cover a *very* popular magazine in England, by the way. I wouldn’t call them a socialist nation, per se, but they’re European, and I thought this picture would fit in well with this topic, I guess… I dunno.. LOL

EDIT (one minute later): Oh, and here’s the source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/frontpages/

[quote author=“minijigga”]If you wanted to feed your kids, you got up at 5 am. to catch the train to wherever you worked, if you were fortunate enough to have public transportation to wherever it was you worked. You didn’t have MORE kids to collect MORE money. Churches provided much of the support needed when families fell on hard times, now lines serve the masses who’ve chosen to sit in the laps of others during their “hard times”.

A. I’m begining to get sick of these topics knock it the hell off.

B. That’s wonderful if you live in an area with public transportation and if you’re Christian.  Unfortunately I have neither of these things going for me.  And I do hope you realize that the living on Welfare and having more babies is as much of a stereotype as black people are all in gangs (I don’t really believe that so shut up. 😛)

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:( The Brits are making fun of us. That’s the cover a *very* popular magazine in England, by the way. I wouldn’t call them a socialist nation, per se, but they’re European, and I thought this picture would fit in well with this topic, I guess… I dunno.. LOL

EDIT (one minute later): Oh, and here’s the source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/frontpages/

If I was living there and had a magazine I would do the same thing.

This country was also started for freedom.  Freedom of religion, seperation of church and state, and what we finally figured out it doesn’t matter if you’re black/white/women, man, ect.  Yet we have a president that doesn’t think gay people should be allowed to marry.  A senator in North (maybe South Carolina) who has said women that are not married and gay people should not be allowed to teach in our schools.  A government funding some schools using text books that say things such as India has not has not done anything of importance since they have not accepted Jesus Christ.  And when the largest teachers union tells this to the head of the Education department, they are called terrorists.

I will be leaving this country when I’m finished with school Mini. I still have to get a teaching and grad degree though. Them I’m the #### out.

I think it’s good bush won. I think that kerry’s policy and what he would do about terrorism was reason enough for bush to win.

Ya running off to countries that posed no threat to us based, instead of going to country’s such as North Korea which has openly admitted to working on nuclear weapons has really protected our country.

And Kerry wanted to get terrorists also, he just wanted to get help from the rest of the world first.  That way we don’t need as many supply’s and troops, and won’t lose as many people.

Well, you see…

I think we are in Iraq for the right reasons. There were memo’s that hussein met with bin laden and other terrorists…

Where were we going to draw the line?

I just wrote a term paper on this..i can post it up if u want.

cool. i’m glad you believe in a utopian, libertarian society. I’d agree with you if human nature were perfect.

but hey, back before FDR, we had people dying and starving and defecating in the streets. unless you happened to be white, male, and protestant.

the democracy that we have evolved into makes small corrections for imperfections in a big society. if you don’t like it, -you- should move.

i believe in the separation of church and state. and hey, our founding fathers did too.

in conclusion, shut the f—- up and move to the middle of africa if you don’t believe in having a government that helps its people. in the meantime, we’ll participate in our government and voice our opinions as much as we want to.

Sorry, was this directed at me? Not being sarcastic just asking.

no, haha, that was directed toward minijigga.

for the record, i’m a moderate democrat. my worries aren’t as much with iraq/foreign policy, and I’m not that concerned about republican economic policy (to some degree, I can understand it, although I do strongly disagree)—what I can’t f—-ing stand is the integration of religion and government (regarding reproductive rights, not just limited to abortion but also extending to healthcare, confidentiality, and contraception; gay marriage, stem cell research), and the reactionary right. we have extremist republicans running the country. that sucks. and white supremecist, christian supremacist, homophobic, misogynistic and extremely nationalistic assholes like the guy that started this thread suck. and even blindly radical liberals suck.

in conclusion, look at the ######## that i found in the newspaper today.

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Ok good, didn’t think it was directed at me. I agree to some extent about seperation of church and state, however, Kerry’s flip flops on issues to please the voters drive me crazy.

i congratulate the bush administration for creating such an effective propaganda campaign…

bush flip flops versus kerry flip flops

how about that big afghanistan versus iraq flip flop. hehh…

yea Bush won but its only cause the democrat wasnt able to convey their message well enough, Kerry talks tooo much

Actually I think the democrats promoted their position a lot…i just think citizens of the US liked bush better then kerry.

i dont think so, cuase Bush had theses commericals that were like 30 secs so people got to hear it over and over again, Kerry talks for too long, that makes people lose interest and its less likely they will remember it cause they will listen to it less.

i congratulate the bush administration for creating such an effective propaganda campaign…

bush flip flops versus kerry flip flops

how about that big afghanistan versus iraq flip flop. hehh…

thank you..

http://www.factcheck.org
learn about the fallacies of both campaigns.

and yes considering that there was a 3% difference between the candidates, campaigns and the way they are run greatly effected this election.  The G.O.P is fantastic at understanding what the people want to hear and coaxing people into believing that they’ll do a better job.  A big problem with the Democrats is they fail to master certain techniques of propaganda and have a hard time aggressively attacking the opposition and yeilding support from the people.

He’s a liberal flip-flopper!! I LOVE that, well… loved it.  I just don’t get it, I’m not disagreeing that he may be slightly flippy, but you can’t be consistantly liberal and be a flip-flopper, I wish they had picked one or the other, lousy Republicans, Lousy Democrats, Lousy Greenies, Lousy Libs, Lousy Nader

its the end of the world

haha great flash animation…Sadly its going to happen. See you guys in South America. Where nothing happens and everyone tries to get along.

Let’s hope you’re exaggerating about that :( Oy, this is a serious possibility though, and it disgusts me.

Hail the new Caeser~

Just in case you think I was joking about people getting out of here.

You’re also free to attempt the liberation of Cascadia

You could even join their army:

im thinking about heading for Canada

I know many of us(including myself) have thought about skipping town after Wednesday, and I’ll admit I was only half-joking that I’d leave.  But after carefully thinking and reading advice from several blogs (and of course, being the optimist & stubborn scorpio that I am), I realized that we do need to stay and continue fight it.  Write your ass off and send letters to representatives on certain issues and get other people involved.  I loved seeing those protests here during the RNC in August/September.  Show all those f*ckers what we really think.  Show it in masses.

We were in the minority on election day but there were what, about 77 million eligible people that didn’t vote?  Perhaps it was laziness that didn’t get them out there, or maybe it was because they were just not convinced and were scared to vote for the wrong person… so they didn’t at all.

[I voted for Kerry on Tuesday, but to be honest with you, he didn’t really jump out at me.  I wasn’t amped about having him be president.  Not that I’m thrilled about Bush (I HATE that man), but I can understand if there really were just people that didn’t want to vote due to apathy towards both candidates.  I didn’t really care for either one, but Kerry’s stance on certain issues was the best match for me.] 

So stay, get involved, spread the word, and get things done… HERE.  Changes obviously need to be made and we need to make sure that they do.  Of course “OMg BuSh SuX & yEr a TaRd foR vOtInG 4 hiM!!1!1!ONE” won’t get any results.  So err… choose a some other method.  But STAY.  They country needs us more than ever.  And why will the other people really listen to us if they see us wanting to flee when we think sh*t’s gonna go bad? 

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and that was just hilarious :lol: