I remember the rocket ship one, that was really cool. Although I never got past level 6… blargh!

[quote author=“HectorGearLive”]You would rather me write my own arguments?  :|  Like I’m God, or something.

:lol:

[quote author=“HectorGearLive”]  You referencing the Bible as merely “a story book” speaks volumes of your ignorance.

If you provide proof that it is more than a story book, I will concede my ignorance in the matter.

^^^^ exactly why religion is a bad thing on the internet ^^^^

^^^

I was really thinking about this last night and this morning.  Here’s the thing.  If something was proven as an obvious fact, then it is no longer faith.  So there will be things I can’t prove as something you can see. 

However…that said, check this out:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html

Compared to any other document, ancient or otherwise, none is more historically accurate, as profound, and as universal.  That’s the bottom line.

I’m not Christian.  But was raised in a Christian household.  Here are some of my thoughts.

Hector, I believe you said something to the effect of ‘how can you learn the truth about religion unless you get together and discuss’.  I couldn’t agree more.  However, how many organized religious churches have you been to where they ‘discuss’ the religion?  Usually you have a ‘preacher’ who talks, the audience listens.  That is NOT discussion.

Someone said the bible is from God.  Nope.  Inspired by perhaps, dictated by maybe, but not directly from God.  The Bible has many different contributing authors, none of which are God or Jesus.  All of the bible was written by human beings.  Supposedly, much of it is recording the word of God, but secretaries makes mistakes, court reporters make mistakes.  HUMANS make mistakes, have their own agendas, etc.

So, best case scenario, you have God talking, a man doing his best to write it all down without making mistakes.  Then you have multiple generations of men copying and translating from one language to the next.  A copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a NOT original definitive word….  does not equal God’s definitive word. 

And much as Kirk didn’t understand why God needed a starship, why did the almighty need for man to record his word.  Why not pen the bible himself?

Physics and the study of evolution Disprove much of the story of creation also.  The book starts out in error.

Now then for the religion itself.  According to the bible and christianity, we are created in God’s image, we are given free will, we are expected to do God’s will, or die eternal death.

So, he makes the puppet in his image.  He gets the puppet to perform.  If the puppet does not make the puppeteer happy, the strings are cut and the puppet tossed aside forever.  That does not seem compassionate at all to me.  That doesn’t sound like freedom to me.  It strikes very near to slavery.  And it really doesn’t make sense either.  If he has the power to create beings, why go through the trouble of giving freewill in the first place.  It’s not really free if there’s only one acceptable route to take.

I could go on an on and on…...

Now then, I have faith in a higher power, and I call that power God for lack of a better name.  And I choose to believe it is compasionate, and is the same power written of and spoken of by Christians, and Buddists, and Wiccans, etc.  It’s just that most religions got all the details wrong.

Just my $.02   I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, nor am I inviting others to try and change mine.  Just opinions, nothing more nothing less. So please, no one take it personally.

Agreed.

If you look back a few pages, my original debate was one of faith, not literature.

Still, debating subjects with no possible resolution keeps the boards active and interesting.

[quote author=“8link”][quote author=“munkyxtc”]^^^^ exactly why religion is a bad thing on the internet ^^^^

If you look back a few pages, my original debate was one of faith, not literature.

And where do you think faith comes from?  I wouldn’t be a believer if I didn’t read and research the biblical passages for myself.  :|

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

The issue is resolved enough for me.  I’ve posted enough material on this thread (scriptural examples and other evidences).

IMO, faith is belief without proof.
The bible attempts to be the proof to support the creation of faith towards one direction.
Therefore, although I have read the bible, it is not where my faith comes from.  That source, I believe is quite intangible.

What you fail to mention is the care that which the passages have been transposed throughout generations.  Ever hear of the Dead Sea Scrolls?  Ancient copies of biblical manuscripts, which are word for word intact.  Look it up sometime.

Secondly, yes obviously men wrote the Bible, but there are also plenty of historical prophecies that could not have been predicted simply by men.  Pre-messianic Prophecy alone numbers well into the 100’s. 

Lastly, if “man” added his own “selfish” influences into the Bible, it would read something like this: “Do teh buttseckz to as many females as you can.  Give money to no one except yourself.  Killing is okay if done in revenge, etc.”

I’m going to take a wild guess here, but I think the real problem is that you guys want to continue living the way you do.  It’s much easier to say: “Oh it’s written by man.  Oh, it’s so inaccurate!  Oh I need God to stand in front of me before I believe in him” than to be a practicing believer, or at least do some real research.  It’s just laziness.

By the way, in response to your other comment, churches can take many forms, and in my previous, one we had much more than Sunday at the altar.  We hade discussion groups, prayer-partners, and the like.

[quote author=“8link”]IMO, faith is belief without proof.
The bible attempts to be the proof to support the creation of faith towards one direction.

If you study it, you have no choice but to believe it.  Hey, I didn’t either at first.

[quote author=“HectorGearLive”]
If you study it, you have no choice but to believe it.  Hey, I didn’t either at first.

I have a choice.

Lets just say we both believe in something and although that something may be different, thats alright.

[quote author=“HectorGearLive”] “Do teh buttseckz to as many females as you can.  Give money to no one except yourself.  Killing is okay if done in revenge, etc.”

Nominated for best of GL ‘04.

Alright.  😊  I can’t afford to be on the boards this much, anyways.  😊

[quote author=“8link”][quote author=“HectorGearLive”] “Do teh buttseckz to as many females as you can.  Give money to no one except yourself.  Killing is okay if done in revenge, etc.”

Nominated for best of GL ‘04.

Hey, that’s the way I’d write it.  I’m not going to lie.  :D

You’re in fer a heap of trouble now. :D

WTF!?  Hahahah!  :lol:  You bum.  you didn’t even put it in context.  yous shoulda said:

- HGL when discussing how he would write the Bible.

Hmm, thats an idea.
I’ll think about it, I kinda like it without description though.
I can’t even read any of my own posts now without laughing uncontrollably and making my coworkers nervous.

Just don’t want people thining I’m a womanizing evil killer.  :think:

Why not?

I think the new one lacks punch.
Simple may indeed be better.

As you wish.  👏

It’s pointless to debate it as there is way to prove or disprove the existence of “god”.

But just seriously ponder this - isn’t is possible that the books of the bible were written by normal men, and were not inspired by “god” at all?  Is it really more likely that an all powerful being decided to reveal himself to scribes who were “divinely inspired”?  How convenient that there is no proof other than their word…  But seriously - yes or no.  Isn’t it possible?

Hector, I’ve heard many people compare The Matrix trilogy to a sort of Biblical story. I haven’t seen all of The Matrix films, so you would agree on this?

I’m a Solitary Eclectic Pagan Witch.

If anyone cares.

I wasn’t going to even go to this thread because there are two things I don’t post about.. politics & religion…ulness I am of course right. 😊 .. but I thought I’d say that I thought that damn game earlier posted was freaking annoying. that is all…

That’s one interpretation, sure…especially for Matrix1.  I invite you to the Matrix Thread in the Movies section to read (and ask) more.