I’m a music snob too!!

[quote author=“sweet jesus”][quote author=“minijigga”]Yeah, too bad since then all his plans went to **** :(

People used to be too proud to take hand-outs, now they line up for them.

Michael Andrews was right with his title, “Mad World” indeed 😛

Actually, “mad world” is a tears for fears song. I wouldn’t correct you except I’m pretentious about music.  Michael Andrews did do a good cover for the Donnie Darko soundtrack though. Actually the whole soundtrack was great. 

“Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion”

I didn’t know that :think: I heard it on Donnie Darko, then saw the music video…  :lol: I’m a yougin’ though, so I’ll use that cop out for my ignorance 😛

[quote author=“sweet jesus”][quote author=“minijigga”]Yeah, too bad since then all his plans went to **** :(

People used to be too proud to take hand-outs, now they line up for them.

Michael Andrews was right with his title, “Mad World” indeed 😛

Actually, “mad world” is a tears for fears song. I wouldn’t correct you except I’m pretentious about music.  Michael Andrews did do a good cover for the Donnie Darko soundtrack though. Actually the whole soundtrack was great. 

“Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion”

Actually, Mad World is by gary jules, and both versions are on the Donnie Darko soundtrack. Michael Andrews did do the music, though. Its so odd that you said that, though, because I watched that movie Saturday afternoon again with my roommates! Donnie Darko rocks. I’ve been listening to Tears For Fears - Head Over Heels all weekend (along with all my other 80s music). I’m gonna take this discussion over to the music forum where I think I’m gonna be starting a new thread…  😛 😛

bush or kerry.. which one is the lesser of two evils again?

Well, if you think they are both evil, then neither :D Give your vote to Nader :D

I once overheard this conversation, between four Libertarians (one of which was a Russian tourist), at this cozy spot called “The Safe House”, on Speedway in Tucson. It’s an odd structure, purposely poorly lit, serving only non-alcoholic beverages, intentionally, with their recovering “bottom-of-the-bottle” clientele in mind. There is a one-drink minimum; however, most of the selections were coffee-related, but I was fortunate enough (for my own tastes) to purchase a Peach Fountain Drink.

The eldest Liberal seemed to be the most non-extremist of the group, talking relatively calm and logically. Throughout their entire conversation, I sat silently, paying attention to every word. I thought of all the arguments I could make to rebut their statements, but I was too intrigued to break up the flow of discussion. One thing that struck me as odd but true, was a point he made about voting for Nader. He said, that voting for Nader, or, a third party, actually made your voice heard.

But, then he said that this election “wasn’t about” having his voice heard, it was about removing Bush. Which, is where I shook my head, stood, and left. If you don’t stand for your ideals, and vote accordingly, then why do you even bother involving yourself in Politics? I mean, sure, I can disagree with someone. That’s fine. In America, you’re allowed the freedoms of having your own beliefs.

How is it that these people could be so entrenched in their own ideology, yet totally lose sight of what they believe in; so blinded by hatred, that they don’t see that Kerry is not their representative, and not who they want to be President?

After Dean tugged all the Democrats way off the Left end, all you were left with was Kerry? Is it because one poll showed that people might vote for him over Bush? :shakes head: ...for a group of people with such astute goals, it saddens me to see Kerry as your nominee. Lieberman should have been your candidate, at least he’s a sane person with sound mind. And, he’s not ready to just do a 180 on terrorism; he’s acknowledged the fact that 9/11 actually happened.

I know one thing, I’ll never vote to replace someone, I’ll always vote to elect a person for President; the highest office our great country has to offer to it’s citizens. If Bush weren’t on the ballot, I’d vote for Lieberman (even though he isn’t the Democratic Nominee).

Lieberman was too much of a centrist for me to vote for him, I liked Dean who seemed to actually get people excited about his policies.  I agree that people shouldn’t lose sight of their ideals and vote simply to remove someone.  I’m voting for Kerry for two reasons. The first being that I don’t like what Bush has done to our country and I believe he’s not acting in America’s best interests. Secondy because I agree with Kerry’s political leanings more than I do Bush. I would never staunchly defend Kerry’s policies or even his voting record which is shoddy at best, but I will defend what I believe in.

Unfortunately in a two party system, their will probably never be a candidate I could really support and get all gung ho for. It’s sad but that’s what happens when you live in a Democratic Republic and not a true Democracy where my vote might actually count. I can fully understand why that guy said that voting third party gives you a voice. It’s because it pulls vote from the two major parties thus affecting politics.

I really hate to say it, because I disagree so much with Dean’s views, but I would rather he be the candidate than Kerry. Kerry’s just way too unsure of who he is or what he believes in to be our Commander and Chief. I’d rather have someone, even if I disagreed with him, who I knew wasn’t lying to me. I felt that way with Dean at the beginning, and he did get people excited. Now, however, when I see him he isn’t the same person. He’s been consumed by the mainstream, and I’ve heard him lie on national television. I heard him lie during the primaries, but not about what he wanted to do with the country. That he was sure of, and this at least demonstrates he had a vision of what he wanted to do with the country.

By centrist, do you mean that middle 70-80% of the country that doesn’t really side with either party? :lol: If that’s what you meant, then he’d be TERRIBLE for the country 😛 I dunno, he seemed like an honest and decent man… I’m sure in Kerry’s personal life he’s a decent person, but in his public life he hasn’t been someone I will ever give my vote :(

OK, for real this time, going to get something to eat 😛

By centrist I mean he didn’t seem to stand for anything that appealed to either a party line or myself as a person.  He almost seemed like a non-person.  I think McCain kinda filled that role for the Republicans in 2000. He didn’t necessarily represent anything but I could have respected him.  I don’t agree with McCain on a lot of issues but he seemed like a fully competent person who would have done an alright job as president. Not that this is a personal affront to Republicans but I lost a lot of respect for the Republican party when they picked Bush over McCain.  The man was a POW and Bush attacked his military record!! That’s like slapping Jesus in the face and telling he’s not a Christian. Well maybe not that bad but it was pretty messed up. 2000 was an odd year for politics.