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Posted: 31 August 2004 07:42 PM   [ # 26 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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LOL, the ones that voted for Bush on here are afraid ‘cause it’s obviously liberally dominant on these forums 😛

Duh, y’all are here for a free lunch 😛 (as am I, fair enough) And that, is what socialism is all about 😛 That’s fine, until the later generations take it for granted and a third of your population calls in sick EVERY day, because they make nearly as much money “sick” at home as they do if they are at work.

You have to be careful about all yall’s liberal thinking, ‘cause in some countries they have ethics professors who decide whether or not someone is “valuable” to society. For example, if you grow old and end up relying on machines to stay alive, some ethics professors see you as not “contributing” to their socialistic ideals and decide to pull the plug on ya’. Is that right?

HAHA! And Kerry…he isn’t even the guy you guys want. He’s just the “replacement”. I actually sat and listened to people like you guys, and it was quite interesting. They wanted Nader, didn’t even really like Kerry, just wanted to get rid of Bush so they’ll vote Democrat this year.

You guys hate Bush so much that you’ll replace him with anyone. Literally anyone…and I’m sorry, that’s just wrong. Focus on the issues, listen to what they have to say, and then vote. Don’t listen to Michael Moore’s movie (s)(yeah, not Fah, but an example of what he is constantly capable of), don’t listen to Fox News, don’t listen to CNN…listen to the two men, and see which one you agree with more. If you want Kerry, I see you as someone who thinks that 9/11 is “sufferable”. If you want Bush, I see you as someone who sees 9/11 as an “intolerable” event.

Had Gore been president, I bet we’d just now be going in after Osama. Because, he would have d!cked around in the UN forever, and basically pissed away the opportunity to stop the terrorists. Listen to some of your Democratic Leaders, I heard from one of your Democrats on the 9/11 panel the other day on C-SPAN. He said that because we didn’t offer up any consequence for the acts of terrorism during Clinton’s term, we invited the subsequent disasters and emboldened the terrorists. The point y’all seem to have forgotten was that we in a conflict with shadows, and if Kerry is so up the a$$es of the Clintons, then I’m sure he isn’t going to strengthen our intelligence (which, reportedly led to the lack of intelligence of the plot that led up to 9/11)...he’ll go around the world kisses the toes and a$$es of all the people who didn’t support us in our time of need, and god knows what his wife’ll try and do. Although, ####, maybe another terrorist attack on America’s soil will bring all you guys back to reality. You think you’re safe right now, cozy in your house…as if 9/11 was just some sort of movie with great graphics and acting. You think that if you talk to the terrorists that they’ll change their minds and maybe come with you to have a chat about biological chemistry. What you fail to recognize, is that these people have been told since they were children to hate us. They HATE us with every fiber of their bodies. Try doing some research about the brainwashing that goes on at the Wahabi schools, and then maybe you’ll start to realize what we’re dealing with.

If they elect Kerry, and Kerry goes to France and apologizes for all the crimes we’ve committed against the world, you’ll hear from me 😉 What I don’t understand is why you guys want to be so much like the French. “No Blood for Oil” AHAHHAH, it’s like dark humor or something. What about all the money that the UN was receiving for the Oil for Food program? Why did the Iraqi government know everything we told the French ambassador twenty minutes after we met with him? Answer those questions truthfully, and then ask yourself why the UN c-blocked our invasion of Iraq. They wanted the cream off the top of the oil money, so they decided to say we were invading for the oil. They would have rather had Saddam in power, knowing that about all the atrocities that were going on in his country.

EVEN IF we are just in Iraq for oil, at least the innocent people that die will die for something meaningful, and not the twisted and sickly disgusting perversions of an old man and his sons. At least they’ll have hope for a future. What I can understand is how anyone could sleep soundly if they are voicing an opinion that speaks of leaving an oppressed people to the intentions of a mad man. Ever since WWII, there has been a precedent set that disallows isolationism in cases such as Iraq (mass murder, genocide, ect.). Saddam’s insanity has been compared with such highly notable lunatics as the infamous Adolf Hitler, the man who killed millions of Jews during the Holocaust. Yes, we all agree the world is better off without him, but you would rather he was still in power? If you were president during the 1930s 40s, would you—could you allow Hitler to stay in power knowing that he was murdering an entire people? Confused? I am.

Oh right, sent there for false reasons right? If Saddam was this perfect angel you liberals would prefer he was, then he should have let the Inspectors FULLY into his country, and not denied the world as many times as he did during the past two decades. MAYBE we could have avoided the invasion had Saddam been this harmless creature you guys would prefer him to be. Of course, you’d have to overlook the many torture chambers, and countless first-hand accounts that tell of a story that would make Lucifer himself blusher a darker red than that of the blood that fell in torrents from so many innocent Iraqis…all because Saddam felt like it.

So, vote how you will. I hope that, at least for the lives of your children and neighbors, you vote Moderate or Conservative. If you don’t, may whoever you pray to during your dying hour, save whatever you hold dear (soul?)

PS. I know I’ma catch some $hit for this, but I decided to post it in hopes that the other 7 people might actually say something. And maybe, just maybe, make one ‘er two of you people think once more before you cast your vote. You aren’t voting FOR someone, you’re voting AGAINST someone. It’s, “Presidential Election, where we vote for president”, not, “Vote against the person you don’t want to be president”. I know you don’t care though, you’re just so consumed with hate for Bush 😛 I think that Clinton’s cowardice in the face of the obvious evil, because he didn’t think there was enough of a mandate(by the way, his wife said that in an interview…lol, that they knew about the threat, but that thought that we wouldn’t go for it, so they bagged out on it. there’s a leader for you, takes you down the easy path instead of the hard one that eventually leads to a brighter day…) to keep his approval rating at a level he “approved” of, is worth ten times negative air time that Bush has received for going into Iraq. I’m not going to talk of the courage that was required to lead us into this war, because I know you don’t agree. Again, I know I’m gonna’ get at least one angry liberal yelling at me 😛 I think it’s worth it though. Freedom of speech right?

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Posted: 31 August 2004 09:09 PM   [ # 27 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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For me, it’s a decision between the lesser of two evils, and it’s Kerry.  I wanted Dean but of course he’s considered too liberal and the media just ate him alive.  All I know is that 1.5 million people have dropped below the poverty line, the average income is $9000 less than it was 4 years ago (thank you Reaganite McJobs), the top 1% gets the highest tax break,  the education system and health care systems are grossly underfunded. 82 million Americans are without health insurance and premiums have raised by $2600 in the last 3 years.

“?The bill for all ?No Child Left Behind? programs is $9.5 billion less than what was promised when the law passed, and is even below what President Bush has requested.  This bill also eliminates programs proven to help students succeed, such as comprehensive school reform, drop-out prevention, parental assistance centers, and history, arts, and foreign language education.””  -NEA Website

His plans for standardized tests is a crock as well since teachers then only teach how to do well on the tests so they don’t lose their funding. Bush likes to make himself look good by proposing a plan, giving it a lump sum and then ignoring it while it wastes away.

I won’t get into the war stuff since we know the general Democratic response.  I’m still waiting for Osama to be caught which I thought was the whole reason we’d sent hundreds of US soldiers to lay down their lives.

I’m also still curious as to why Bush decided not to do anything about North Korea…you know, since they actually have WMD capabilities Oh wait, he had the chance and he blew it. In 2002 North Korea had begun enriching Uranium which caused Bush to cut all ties. Instead of keeping tabs on North Korea and making sure 8,000 fuel rods stayed under lock and key (which they were since 1994 when Clinton signed the Agreed Framework), Bush sat by and did nothing. When Jong-il threatened to break the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, kick out the international inspectors, unlock the rods, and haul them to a nearby reprocessing facility…Bush still did nothing. With those fuel rods, North Korea could feasibly have Nuclear weapons within a year’s time. Keep in mind this was last year, so he could have them.  Bush has now sent in negotiators after caving to Powell (who is the only voice of reason in the whole damn cabinet).  Kim Jong-il now is cutting deals with other countries and is using those fuel rods as a heavy bargaining chip, garnering a nice piece of change and further proving that he can get away with letting his people starve.  Thanks for contributing to terrorism Bush.

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Posted: 31 August 2004 09:31 PM   [ # 28 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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[quote author=“antman22”][quote author=“jncsta2000”]Kerry.  I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 as well.  i thought it was really good.  all my friends said “how could you watch all those lies?”  I don’t think they are lies.  not when michael moore is offering money to anyone who can disprove a single fact in the movie.

i wouldn’t necessarily call them lies, but just his own interpretation on carefully edited film.

To both Mr. Antman and Mr. Jncsta2000:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575561/

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Posted: 31 August 2004 09:57 PM   [ # 29 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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We already know I’m a democrat (actually I like socialism better) but anyway, I think Moore is an alright documentary writer/director.  I won’t rely on his “facts” or opinions as my own. I enjoy his movies but I view them simply as that.  I hope everyone who saw the movie went out and did their research after wards instead of just quoting it.  Get as many sources as you can and make a decision for yourself.

This is the way I see Michael Moore. The Republicans seem to have so many “out-there” supporters and out-spoken people that I’m glad Michael Moore exists. Democrats are so damn boring and they don’t seem very organized or capable of being as out-spoken as Republicans so that when Michael Moore comes out with this film, it feels good because it’s something people can get behind (despite its shortcomings).  I can only take so much Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News before I start wishing we had someone just as crazy. Michael Moore fits that role nicely. I may not agree with him all the time or think that he’s too out-spoken but it’s nice to know that we have someone who isn’t afraid to be as nuts on the other side of politics.

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Posted: 01 September 2004 01:49 AM   [ # 30 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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Sweet Jesus, you just became my personal hero—I think you pretty much said what was on every kerry supporters mind.

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Posted: 01 September 2004 07:28 AM   [ # 31 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]  
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:? Bush gave 10 billion dollars more than Clinton did towards education, perhaps that’s the 9+ billion that you were talking about that he didn’t get. It was a democratic idea that he worked on with Kennedy. EDIT: Also, one study found that in the poorer inner-cities, the schools DID receive more funding as a result of the bill, whereas the schools in more affluent areas either received less money than before or the same as in previous years.

North Korea. Well, during this time we were fixing to go into Iraq. And, you must keep in mind that China basically controls North Korea, and because we have economic clout over China, China isn’t going to screw us over because they want to trade with us. So, we’ll see what happens, but I think the president thinks that’s an essentially contained issue. And it might be, but only time will tell.

[quote author=“Andreux”][quote author=“antman22”][quote author=“jncsta2000”]Kerry.  I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 as well.  i thought it was really good.  all my friends said “how could you watch all those lies?”  I don’t think they are lies.  not when michael moore is offering money to anyone who can disprove a single fact in the movie.

i wouldn’t necessarily call them lies, but just his own interpretation on carefully edited film.

To both Mr. Antman and Mr. Jncsta2000:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575561/

I guess Moore owes you 50k Andreux 😛 Give him a ring, I’m sure he’ll have all sorts of excuses for how that side-note became the headline 😛

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Posted: 01 September 2004 11:15 AM   [ # 32 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]  
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Well, during this time we were fixing to go into Iraq. And, you must keep in mind that China basically controls North Korea, and because we have economic clout over China, China isn’t going to screw us over because they want to trade with us. So, we’ll see what happens, but I think the president thinks that’s an essentially contained issue. And it might be, but only time will tell.

I don’t really trust china considering they kill their own civilians. 1800 political dissidents have been killed in the last 3 months.  Also, we now have to give aid to North Korea just to make sure that they aren’t testing nuclear weapons which they have threatened to do if we don’t cooperate. Bush tried his bullying technique but failed to realize that it doesn’t work against a country with a real dictator who makes real threats.

I’m not saying Saddam wasn’t a threat at some level, but he was more of a threat to his own people than to the US.  He hated the Taliban, he never cooperated with them. If anyone is guilty of bulking up Iraq’s arsenal it’s the US. 

I’m still amazed that after I’ve been reading about the horrible conditions in Darfur for the last 5 months, Bush nows realizes it’s the worst Humanitarian crisis in the world and something should be done. Apparently if Bush can’t just bomb a country he feels that it doesn’t really need help.

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Posted: 01 September 2004 11:21 PM   [ # 33 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]  
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Read this and you’ll understand exactly how I feel about Bush, his idea that democracy and freedom are somewhere inherent within himself, and his horrible decisions.

 

And here’s a little something about how much money we owe to Asian Central Banks. My grandchildren will be paying for these mistakes. The great republican tradition continues. I can’t wait to cash in my social security and lose it on the failing stock market, that’s going to be great.

 

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Posted: 02 September 2004 12:12 AM   [ # 34 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]  
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And you want to vote for someone who is going to increase spending by 1 or 2 trillion dollars?

you know that america isn’t a democracy by definition right? i’m sure you do, not sure what you were meaning by that comment.

Make no Mistake, Saddam was a real and gathering threat. He was greater at one time, than he was before toppled him, but he was a threat nonetheless. Had he not endangered the world, I’m sure one of his olympian torturing sons would have. It was just a matter of time.

I hope you watched the RNC tonight, even if just for stuff to laugh about tomorrow (today!) at work. VERY good points were made, and the Republican format is being laid out very well. The ideas and plans are being made clear and I hope a few of you tuned in. To hear a member from your party speak out against the Democrats that are tearing the country apart. But, I’m sure most didn’t. As, like me you believe strongly in your ideals and views, so you probably just shake your head at the republican message…just as i shake my head at yours 😛 👏  :lol:

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Posted: 02 September 2004 07:56 AM   [ # 35 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]  
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The RNC seems only to bash Kerry instead of supporting Bush. They know that there is no way to cover up the horrible debt, failing economy, and mistake of the war.  They’ve reverted to what Democrats are doing and simply voting for their candidate because they hate the other so much.

Oh…what’s this the Zell Miller says about Kerry now:

  “Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security. ... For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak, and more wobbly than any other national figure.”
  ?Sen. Zell Miller, “D”-Ga., Sept. 1, 2004

And what did he say three years ago?

  “My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation’s authentic heroes, one of this party’s best-known and greatest leaders?and a good friend. ... John has worked to strengthen our military.” ...
  ?Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga., March 1, 2001

Talk about flip-flop.

And yes I’m well aware that this isn’t a democracy, it’s a Democratic Republic.  I think antiquated systems such as the electoral college need to be gotten rid of.  Since I vote in Nebraska, my vote doesn’t really count. Nebraska has never once voted for a Democratic president and probably never will. I think it’s a joke to say that every vote counts because I know mine certainly doesn’t.

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Posted: 02 September 2004 10:37 AM   [ # 36 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]  
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I just have to say this.  The whole electoral college process is stupid.  Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election.  That’s the second time in history its ever happened, and look who we ended up with because of it.

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Posted: 02 September 2004 11:00 AM   [ # 37 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]  
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Nobody really gives a damn about John Kerry, at least not in the right wing. They just don’t think he’s fit to do the job.

Please, don’t talk about the right wing’s platform, when the entire Democratic Primary Race was ALL ABOUT BASHING BUSH. There has been 9 months of bashing bush, and just when you guys finally got around to choosing your candidate, we start attacking and suddenly it’s this new, horrible thing the power hungry Conservatives are doing to defame Kerry. Please.

And let’s not talk about power, let us not forget who’s in the pocket of all the labor unions…

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wow.  how is it that kerry can spend 1 or 2 trillion more dollars, yet lower our national debt?  maybe removing those dumb as all h*ll tax cuts from rich people will help.  It would seem that Bush was TRYING to destroy our economy.  Another thing.  For someone who attended Harvard, Bush sure has trouble speaking coherently.

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[quote author=“jncsta2000”]maybe removing those dumb as all h*ll tax cuts from rich people will help.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/editorial/0408/27/a09-255537.htm

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Bush man! I’m still too young to vote and think politics are stupid, both sides. But I can’t stand Kerry and disagree with him on a few levels.

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[quote author=“Emetic”]Bush man! I’m still too young to vote and think politics are stupid, both sides. But I can’t stand Kerry and disagree with him on a few levels.

I don’t like Kerry either but I would rather have a centrist president who doesn’t go out on a limb and dump $220 billion on a war most view as a huge mistake.  I don’t think Kerry is going to do anything drastic in his presidency but he can at least get things back to a state of normalcy. Perhaps drive down some of that horrible debt, heal our international relations so that I’m not pelted with bricks if I want to go to Europe, and maybe force that money into the education system like it’s supposed to.

minijigga is right when he says Bush spend $10 billion more than Clinton on education but the thing that sets them apart is that Bush promised all of this money and then failed to force congress to deliver.  It isn’t enough to just sign a bill, you have to push it through all the way. That IS a presidential responsibility. 

As for the spending more money that Bush thing. Kerry will probably make sure that the extra money goes somewhere important like education or impoverished families instead of into the logging industry’s pocket or into a failed war.  I don’t know about you people but my family is middle class and a tax break should would be nice instead of seeing the rich get the breaks.

I justed wanted to make a quick note on the environment too. #### you Bush. There you go.

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Posted: 02 September 2004 04:24 PM   [ # 42 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]  
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im still waiting for someone to add the 3rd and 4th option to the poll.

Cant give people only the option of Bush and Kerry because in November, they arent the only 2 on the poll.

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Posted: 02 September 2004 05:19 PM   [ # 43 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]  
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i think i got it figured out after seeing these conventions on tv…. political parties= highly funded and accepted cults.

i am so voting for myself.

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[quote author=“antman22”]i think i got it figured out after seeing these conventions on tv…. political parties= highly funded and accepted cults.

i am so voting for myself.

voting for yourself is what everyone should do.  voting according to your party locks you in to thinking one way.  you need to think for yourself.  i have changed my vote over and over this election and this would not have happened if i agreed with others instead of looking at all sides and finding out an answer.

a die hard republican/democrat is too much into the party to usually look back and take a look at the pros and cons of the other sides arguments, and forget trying to have them consider a 3rd party candidates point of view.

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[quote author=“DougKaplan”]voting for yourself is what everyone should do.  voting according to your party locks you in to thinking one way.  you need to think for yourself.  i have changed my vote over and over this election and this would not have happened if i agreed with others instead of looking at all sides and finding out an answer.

a die hard republican/democrat is too much into the party to usually look back and take a look at the pros and cons of the other sides arguments, and forget trying to have them consider a 3rd party candidates point of view.

People get really hardcore into their party’s dogma and fail to see that both parties are horribly flawed. It’s a shame that this country really only revolves around a 2-party system.  I was shocked when I saw the voting for the EU and there were so many parties, of which, many of the smaller ones gained seats.  Socialist Democrats are really on the rise *jumps for joy*.  I wish that the green party was considered an honest contender instead of something that just pulls Democratic votes away.  I don’t mean to take away from the Green party because I almost voted for Nader in the last election, but this time around your vote really matters…if you live in a swing state.

And for those of you reading this and going, “wtf? isn’t he a hardcore democrat?” No, I’m not, I dislike the Democrats, not as much as the Republicans of course 😉 , but I have voted for several Republicans, Independents, Greens, and others.  Your choice should lie with what is best for the country, state, city, county, zip code in which you live dependent upon what you’re voting for, not simply voting along party lines.

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[quote author=“sweet jesus”][quote author=“Emetic”]Bush man! I’m still too young to vote and think politics are stupid, both sides. But I can’t stand Kerry and disagree with him on a few levels.

I don’t like Kerry either but I would rather have a centrist president who doesn’t go out on a limb and dump $220 billion on a war most view as a huge mistake.  I don’t think Kerry is going to do anything drastic in his presidency but he can at least get things back to a state of normalcy. Perhaps drive down some of that horrible debt, heal our international relations so that I’m not pelted with bricks if I want to go to Europe, and maybe force that money into the education system like it’s supposed to.

minijigga is right when he says Bush spend $10 billion more than Clinton on education but the thing that sets them apart is that Bush promised all of this money and then failed to force congress to deliver.  It isn’t enough to just sign a bill, you have to push it through all the way. That IS a presidential responsibility. 

As for the spending more money that Bush thing. Kerry will probably make sure that the extra money goes somewhere important like education or impoverished families instead of into the logging industry’s pocket or into a failed war.  I don’t know about you people but my family is middle class and a tax break should would be nice instead of seeing the rich get the breaks.

I justed wanted to make a quick note on the environment too. #### you Bush. There you go.

What? You mean like Gore did with the Kyoto Agreement? I am just loving how Bush is getting attacked for not backing this failed piece of legislation. Did you guys know that Gore was the only person (being the President of the Senate) in the Senate to vote for the Kyoto Agreement? Do you know why there is no support for this document in America? Because only America has to abide by the rules, while other countries don’t really have to. Talk about thumbscrews.

Another fun fact, the Liberal media called W’s plan of “actually doing what he campaigned on,” some sort of conspiracy. No joke. Some in the media actually believed that, because he didn’t take the usual trips around the world to meet and kiss-ass with the world’s leaders, and instead worked on what he campaigned on, there was some sort of Republican conspiracy 😛 Funny how shocked we become when we have a president that does we he says he’s going to do. He tried to do the education plan he campaigned on, but those in Liberal-Social-Left decided that kids didn’t need to learn how to read because, “Daddy needs a brand new pair of shoes to walk up and down Capitol Hill!” How does one try to make peace with a group of individuals who feel cheated? He tried, I’ll give him that.

You can’t force stuff through congress, and my bet is that he developed his education bill with Kennedy because he thought that by doing so, he could get both sides of the isle to go along with it. This, has obviously not happened, as Kennedy has gone his partisan way, and killed any chance it had of passing.

Bush is such a bad guy, he’s is proposing billions of dollars of aid to help those around the world, not just Africa, inflicted with HIV / AIDS, what a big ####### he is. Funny, Bush proposes spending to help, and his effort is insignificant and incomplete in the eyes of those that need the help. Whereas, Clinton gave nothing and he’s seen as one of our nations “best” presidents in recent memory….“8 years of affluence” LOL, that wasn’t even his fault, it was the Republican Congress at the time that balanced the budget and lowered the debt. All Clinton did was break party lines, and stepped aside so they could get the job done. I’ll give him that, he didn’t try and stand in the way of that legislation…but, I can’t give him much credit for much else :|

Intention is what is key here. John Kerry’s “intention” is only verifiable by what today’s poll says. If you liked such former Presidents as the infamous “Jimmy Carter” or “William Jefferson Clinton”, then I say vote for Kerry. IF you truly in your heart agree with us leaving our troops in Somalia, after they were beaten because we didn’t financially support them well enough, then vote for Kerry. IF you truly believe that countries such as France and Germany deserve John Kerry’s lips thrust right into the buttocks of the respective leaders of France and Germany, go ahead and buy him the ticket there so he can do so. IF you want another Hollywood President, who won’t do a damn thing without somebody holding his hand, vote for John Kerry. I just hope you don’t like in a large urban sprawl. A place where Johny Kerry would resume the failed policy of “policing” terrorism rather than “fighting” terrorism.

If you want to vote for a guy based on how well he speaks, vote for the John’s. They’ll stand up and sing ya’ a real good song and dance, but it won’t be real. They’ll never be as real as our President has been in times of despair, and never as real when describing how they feel about the war and the military-families that carry the heaviest burden (yes, I am referring to the speech W gave at the RNC last Thursday). Even though W doesn’t speak as articulately as I’d like him too, he sure as #### is consistent. And I like consistent, honest, non-Hollywood type candidates. Bush’s decision making is what’s important here in this election, not how well he speaks. When he decides on something, you can bet he’ll go through with it, and see it ‘till it’s conclusion (he talked of education at the convention, so I think we’ll hear about that WHEN he’s RE-ELECTED). So, unless you can’t tell by now, I’m voting for Bush come this November 😛

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Had Gore been president, I bet we’d just now be going in after Osama. Because, he would have d!cked around in the UN forever, and basically pissed away the opportunity to stop the terrorists. Listen to some of your Democratic Leaders, I heard from one of your Democrats on the 9/11 panel the other day on C-SPAN. He said that because we didn’t offer up any consequence for the acts of terrorism during Clinton’s term, we invited the subsequent disasters and emboldened the terrorists.

Sorry don’t have time right now to read the whole thing, maybe I will later.
One thing I just had to reply to though is “Had Gore been president, I bet we’d just now be going in after Osama. Because, he would have d!cked around in the UN forever, and basically pissed away the opportunity to stop the terrorists.”  You do realise that everyone else was fine with us going after Osama, the one stopping us from doing this has been Bush by focusing our military on another area which has been proven to not be a threat to us at all (By not finding any WMD’s).

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Posted: 07 September 2004 03:21 PM   [ # 48 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]  
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I’d place my bet on Kerry.  Over the past four years Bush has seemed really unreliable as president.  The guy seems like a total moron and pronounces words just as badly as Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Shameful, just shameful…

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Posted: 07 September 2004 05:13 PM   [ # 49 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]  
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[quote author=“Bootes”][quote author=“minijigga”]
Had Gore been president, I bet we’d just now be going in after Osama. Because, he would have d!cked around in the UN forever, and basically pissed away the opportunity to stop the terrorists. Listen to some of your Democratic Leaders, I heard from one of your Democrats on the 9/11 panel the other day on C-SPAN. He said that because we didn’t offer up any consequence for the acts of terrorism during Clinton’s term, we invited the subsequent disasters and emboldened the terrorists.

Sorry don’t have time right now to read the whole thing, maybe I will later.
One thing I just had to reply to though is “Had Gore been president, I bet we’d just now be going in after Osama. Because, he would have d!cked around in the UN forever, and basically pissed away the opportunity to stop the terrorists.”  You do realise that everyone else was fine with us going after Osama, the one stopping us from doing this has been Bush by focusing our military on another area which has been proven to not be a threat to us at all (By not finding any WMD’s).

Yes, I guess that comment was in poor taste. But, I don’t think Gore would have gone after terrorism as vivaciously as Bush has. Lol, this is all just speculation anyhow, so there really isn’t any point in debating it…Unless you want to call into question the fact that Gore’s “getting rid of staplers” was in fact chipping away at our ability to gather intelligence by cutting the CIA/FBI. That would have caught him in the ass hard had he been president…

Why is that every democrat persists on giving Saddam the benefit of the doubt? I mean, we gave the guy chance after chance for ten years to let us clear his name. And yet, each time, he only let the inspectors so far, if at all. And then, even after the resolution was passed, that gave him an ultimatum, “Let us in, or You’re OUT!” He still rejected us. Perhaps he thought that the French and German’s would C-Block us in the UN :think: I wonder how he came to that conclusion? Perhaps it was the phone conversations between the French Ambassador and the Iraqi government :? You know, the ones that, strangely enough, left the Iraqi’s with as much information as we left the French Ambassador twenty minutes prior :? Yeah, those ones.

EVERYONE AT THAT TIME agreed that Saddam was a threat, EVERYONE. AND EVERYONE still thinks that the world is a better place without him. You can only point the finger at Bush for so long, before someone points at you and informs you of your other three fingers pointing in the opposite direction. As inexplicable as it is for me to try and understand where you are all coming from; why you refuse to accept the fact that Saddam DID HAVE AND DID USE WMDS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE; why you cannot process that Saddam payed 50k the families of suicide bombers, why when you turn on your TV, and see the news reports of Al Qaeda forces fighting in Iraq, that you don’t see the obvious connection between the Islamic Extremists/Terrorists worldwide; how (and this one’s most important) you live with yourselves when your stance on the “Iraq Issue” is that of an isolationist? Saddam was the most obvious of the Islamic Extremists because of his Oil Wealth. With that wealth, he could basically w/e he wished. Yet, you’d rather this man be in power just so you can win a political election.

Forgive me for making generalizations, I know all of the Liberals don’t believe that.

I want to say more, but I feel it will fall on deaf ears :( And what’s the point of speaking to a deaf person… :?

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Posted: 07 September 2004 06:50 PM   [ # 50 ]     [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]  
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i voted for kerry.  I dont care what they do but bush has really disappointed me.  I dont care about the war or anything but Bush has left us with no jobs.  I been searching forever to get a job and none.  I know Bush wont change his plan if he becomes president; im just hoping Kerry worry more about his people than stuff outside of the US.

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